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Mihai B.

gigabit ethernet on smart TV

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Hello,

Is there any way of installing an usb gigabit network adapter on a webos smart TV?  The builtin wired adapter is only 100mbps (on a 2000$+ TV, shame  on you LG!!!)  while the wifi (N) is very poor, with the router at 1m from TV it only gets half the bandwidth of the wired network. Anyway the wired network  maxes out near 100mbps but I need more bandwidth as I have 4k video content with bitrates grater than 100mbps which I cannot stream without stuttering to TV through XPLAY/PLEX. 

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8 hours ago, George Hofmeister said:

A fair point, services like Netflix while streaming 4K do so at a lower bitrate.  A quick internet search shows this is a issue perceived by users with other manufacturers, not just LG, going back to at least 2011.

But, I wonder how many users are actually going to rip their Ultra HD Blu-rays to a Plex server, verses those who just put it in to their Ultra HD Blu-ray player?   The market share of users who run a full gigabit network, with a Plex server capable of ripping the disk (which could take days at full quality) then rendering it for streaming is, I imagine, going to be pretty small. 

Until larger bandwidths are required by the majority of users who stream media from the outside world, I doubt things are going to change be it on LG products or anyone elses.

I prefer to watch my video content from Plex Server + XPLAY (LG doesn't support 4k over DLNA, another stupid limitation) instead of Blu-ray player. I don't have a powerful computer to do transcoding, so when I buy a 4k blu-ray I simply remux it to mkv and add it to the Plex library - my files are very big, 50-60 GB per movie. Some of them have bitrate peaks which exceed 100mbps. My Plex box (linux) is capable of streaming higher bitrates, the TV itself is able to process these bitrates but is limited by the speed of the network adapter. The same movie would play without stuttering from USB3.0 (or even 2.0) external disk, but would stutter occasionally (>100mbps) when streamed from Plex library (using the same USB3.0 disk).

It would be very nice to have at least the option to install a gigabit dongle on the TV. I have already tried with Trendnet TU3-ETG but the TV won't recognize it. Maybe with a future firmware update it will be possible, who knows...

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Just a heads up for people that use the LG built-in video player with DLNA servers. I find these servers play much more nicely with the TV after switching off "quick start+" in the General settings menu. With quick start off, all DLNA servers show up pretty much all of the time.

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On 4/21/2018 at 11:52 AM, George Hofmeister said:

Hi Mihai B,

A gigabit connection is not required for streaming 4K to a local device:

https://www.lgwebos.com/topic/3206-dvb-t-dvb-s-as-one-program-list/?tab=comments#comment-8935

Even if it required 100Mbps a properly set up network would handle it fine.

Depending on how much data you are slinging around the network, whether you have a managed/smart network hub, how you have your Plex server set up and many other factors can cause issues.

 

A proper lossless 4k/Atmos stream is 85 Mb/s - 128 Mb/s, which is 85 - 128mbps.

100mbps doesn't fit the bill, to stream 4k you need a 1gbps Ethernet connection.

 

I have already spoke to Samsung about this, even their latest and most expensive TV models only have a 100mbps connection yet they deliver 4k TV's, Atmos/DTS:X speaker sets.

They advised me to purchase their Samsung  UBD-M9500 or UBD-M9700 player to fix this problem because they should have a 1gbps, turns out even these players have a 100mbps connection.

Sony and LG are doing the same as Samsung.

 

Why sell 4k TV's and Atmos/DTS:X speaker sets without offering a product that can actually play the content without inserting a disc, now I have to start researching 3rd party products to be able to make use of these features.

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On 8/16/2019 at 1:42 PM, MisterTB said:

After months of frustration and days of googling (is that a word?) I found this post and tried my luck. I am so happy to confirm this adapter also works on the 2018 models (in my case OLED65C8).
I even took the time to create an account to say thanks. So... THANKS!!!

After plugging in the device it takes some time for the tv to install (I think), after a while I (un)plugged the lan cable again, then the lights started flickering. Still the apps (youtube) say no connection, I had to reboot the tv first. As mentioned by others above, the TV shows no connection for LAN and Wifi, but it all works flawlessly 🙂

I downloaded the speedtest app, I get a more then reasonable 250Mbit up/down (I have 1GB up/down fiber connection). So I should be able to play all available 4K videos.

As for LAN content: 
I use the onboard LG Videoplayer, it plays almost everything without transcoding over DLNA.
I am able to play all my 4k HDR files right from my synology with Media Server App installed.
Also with Universal Media Server on my HTPC (with some .conf changes) everything plays perfect, incl. subtitles. 

Right now I am not at home, but later today I will try and play some of these reference files: 

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Scratch the above....

For playback I switched to EMBY media server on my NAS with the corresponding Web-OS app, so no HTPC needed anymore. Took me a while to setup (disabling transcoding etc.) Finally managed to get it going, it works great. I haven't found a file it can't play. It even plays 80GB movies without stuttering, where I thought my NAS was not able to...  also Emby is great in finding subs. 

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9 minutes ago, Lingo56 said:

I ended up picking up this cable matters ethernet adapter (

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) but it doesn't work properly on my 65C9PUA.

It connects and gets an internet connection, however it caps out at 100mbps just like the onboard lan.

Not sure if anyone has other recommendations for alternate adapters. I would prefer to not need to buy 4 or 5 of them to see what works.

Exactly my thought. That's why i bought an Android Tv Box. Will try the adapter on it, hopefully it will work(it should work).

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23 hours ago, Mihai B. said:
 

Hello,

Is there any way of installing an usb gigabit network adapter on a webos smart TV?  The builtin wired adapter is only 100mbps (on a 2000$+ TV, shame  on you LG!!!)  while the wifi (N) is very poor, with the router at 1m from TV it only gets half the bandwidth of the wired network. Anyway the wired network  maxes out near 100mbps but I need more bandwidth as I have 4k video content with bitrates grater than 100mbps which I cannot stream without stuttering to TV through XPLAY/PLEX. 

Kind regards,

Hi Mihai B,

A gigabit connection is not required for streaming 4K to a local device:

https://www.lgwebos.com/topic/3206-dvb-t-dvb-s-as-one-program-list/?tab=comments#comment-8935

Even if it required 100Mbps a properly set up network would handle it fine.

Depending on how much data you are slinging around the network, whether you have a managed/smart network hub, how you have your Plex server set up and many other factors can cause issues.

 

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57 minutes ago, schneidernet said:

4K only needs 25mbs. Works fine on my C7.

That sounds about right, Amazon 4K HDR steams quite happily over WiFi on my network.  I do not have any 4K content on Plex to test how well that works.

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1 hour ago, George Hofmeister said:

That sounds about right, Amazon 4K HDR steams quite happily over WiFi on my network.  I do not have any 4K content on Plex to test how well that works.

But he is talking abort streaming local content, it is not unlikely to be much higher bandwidth:

look at the blue ray standard: 

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I LOVE my OLED and WebOS, but I do agree a 100Mbps connection is outdated on a 4K high end TV.

 

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On 4/20/2018 at 2:18 PM, Mihai B. said:
 

Hello,

Is there any way of installing an usb gigabit network adapter on a webos smart TV?  The builtin wired adapter is only 100mbps (on a 2000$+ TV, shame  on you LG!!!)  while the wifi (N) is very poor, with the router at 1m from TV it only gets half the bandwidth of the wired network. Anyway the wired network  maxes out near 100mbps but I need more bandwidth as I have 4k video content with bitrates grater than 100mbps which I cannot stream without stuttering to TV through XPLAY/PLEX. 

Kind regards,

Hi

for streaming from internet doesn't need a Gigabit Ethernet card

But to play locally 4K content especially in highly  frame rate , Gigabit connection is recommended

Many of the LG smart tv models coming with a PCMCIA slot and i think you can add a gigabit PCMCIA card (if your Tv support card) or 4G cellular card on that port ( not tested)

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11 hours ago, Morten Vinding Svendsen said:

But he is talking abort streaming local content, it is not unlikely to be much higher bandwidth:

look at the blue ray standard: 

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I LOVE my OLED and WebOS, but I do agree a 100Mbps connection is outdated on a 4K high end TV.

A fair point, services like Netflix while streaming 4K do so at a lower bitrate.  A quick internet search shows this is a issue perceived by users with other manufacturers, not just LG, going back to at least 2011.

But, I wonder how many users are actually going to rip their Ultra HD Blu-rays to a Plex server, verses those who just put it in to their Ultra HD Blu-ray player?   The market share of users who run a full gigabit network, with a Plex server capable of ripping the disk (which could take days at full quality) then rendering it for streaming is, I imagine, going to be pretty small. 

Until larger bandwidths are required by the majority of users who stream media from the outside world, I doubt things are going to change be it on LG products or anyone elses.

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28 minutes ago, George Hofmeister said:

A fair point, services like Netflix while streaming 4K do so at a lower bitrate.  A quick internet search shows this is a issue perceived by users with other manufacturers, not just LG, going back to at least 2011.

But, I wonder how many users are actually going to rip their Ultra HD Blu-rays to a Plex server, verses those who just put it in to their Ultra HD Blu-ray player?   The market share of users who run a full gigabit network, with a Plex server capable of ripping the disk (which could take days at full quality) then rendering it for streaming is, I imagine, going to be pretty small. 

Until larger bandwidths are required by the majority of users who stream media from the outside world, I doubt things are going to change be it on LG products or anyone elses.

Absolutely agree.

The market for people streaming local content at higher bandwidth than 100Mbps is very slim, and if you deducts the pirates I believe it approximates zero.

So LG probably decided to skip gigabit in the believing that those watching high bandwidth content would do so using blue ray.

 

But the original question about USB2 Ethernet dongles is interesting. USB2 at 400Mbps would be more than enough, and we have all seen devices with “secret” drivers. Like for instance the Chromecast with USB2ethernet support.

I unfortunately only have a 100Mbps usb dongle and a thunderbolt. But if anybody has a gigabit USB dongle please try it out and report back.

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On 4/22/2018 at 8:53 AM, Jasim Peringattuthodi said:

Hi

for streaming from internet doesn't need a Gigabit Ethernet card

But to play locally 4K content especially in highly  frame rate , Gigabit connection is recommended

Many of the LG smart tv models coming with a PCMCIA slot and i think you can add a gigabit PCMCIA card (if your Tv support card) or 4G cellular card on that port ( not tested)

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Not working on my C8... I bought a different card but still TV detect nothing... Someone tryed usb 3.0 gigabit adapter ?

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How about an USB gigabit adapter?  I added a four port USB hub to my C7 to make it easier to access the port for firmware updates and to add a Logitech Unifying Receiver for a keyboard.  Amazon has many.  a link to one attached:

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32 minutes ago, schneidernet said:

How about an USB gigabit adapter?  I added a four port USB hub to my C7 to make it easier to access the port for firmware updates and to add a Logitech Unifying Receiver for a keyboard.  Amazon has many.  a link to one attached:

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The adapters are supported on lg os ?

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Well, I have finally managed to increase the network throughput to at least 150 Mbps, which is fair enough for my initial problem - 4k video content with bitrates grater than 100 Mbps. My good old wireless router (DIR-600) had behaved very weird in the last weeks - the internet speed on my computer was very slow, only half the bandwidth I receive from my ISP. So I decided to buy a new dual band router (Archer-C5 V4) and now the computer receives full internet speed, and surprisingly the TV (only wifi N) connects to the 5 Ghz network at speeds > 100 Mbps. 

Now the move in case (American Made) plays very smooth without any stuttering - max bitrate measured with speedometer on the Plex linux box was 15 Mb/s, or ~ 120 Mbps. Another movie with peaks > 100 Mbps is Life of Pi, especially the scene with thousands of moving meerkats on the island.

 

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On 12/8/2018 at 9:50 PM, Ken Kurgas said:

MP4 4K files stream better than an MKV file. But I play mine through an Android box. I use a Tanix TX 92. It comes with a gigabit connection and plugs directly into the TV via HDMI.

Hello,

What player do you use on this Android box? Does it support HDR? 

Regards,

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