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Mihai B.

gigabit ethernet on smart TV

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Hello,

Is there any way of installing an usb gigabit network adapter on a webos smart TV?  The builtin wired adapter is only 100mbps (on a 2000$+ TV, shame  on you LG!!!)  while the wifi (N) is very poor, with the router at 1m from TV it only gets half the bandwidth of the wired network. Anyway the wired network  maxes out near 100mbps but I need more bandwidth as I have 4k video content with bitrates grater than 100mbps which I cannot stream without stuttering to TV through XPLAY/PLEX. 

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8 hours ago, George Hofmeister said:

A fair point, services like Netflix while streaming 4K do so at a lower bitrate.  A quick internet search shows this is a issue perceived by users with other manufacturers, not just LG, going back to at least 2011.

But, I wonder how many users are actually going to rip their Ultra HD Blu-rays to a Plex server, verses those who just put it in to their Ultra HD Blu-ray player?   The market share of users who run a full gigabit network, with a Plex server capable of ripping the disk (which could take days at full quality) then rendering it for streaming is, I imagine, going to be pretty small. 

Until larger bandwidths are required by the majority of users who stream media from the outside world, I doubt things are going to change be it on LG products or anyone elses.

I prefer to watch my video content from Plex Server + XPLAY (LG doesn't support 4k over DLNA, another stupid limitation) instead of Blu-ray player. I don't have a powerful computer to do transcoding, so when I buy a 4k blu-ray I simply remux it to mkv and add it to the Plex library - my files are very big, 50-60 GB per movie. Some of them have bitrate peaks which exceed 100mbps. My Plex box (linux) is capable of streaming higher bitrates, the TV itself is able to process these bitrates but is limited by the speed of the network adapter. The same movie would play without stuttering from USB3.0 (or even 2.0) external disk, but would stutter occasionally (>100mbps) when streamed from Plex library (using the same USB3.0 disk).

It would be very nice to have at least the option to install a gigabit dongle on the TV. I have already tried with Trendnet TU3-ETG but the TV won't recognize it. Maybe with a future firmware update it will be possible, who knows...

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23 hours ago, Mihai B. said:
 

Hello,

Is there any way of installing an usb gigabit network adapter on a webos smart TV?  The builtin wired adapter is only 100mbps (on a 2000$+ TV, shame  on you LG!!!)  while the wifi (N) is very poor, with the router at 1m from TV it only gets half the bandwidth of the wired network. Anyway the wired network  maxes out near 100mbps but I need more bandwidth as I have 4k video content with bitrates grater than 100mbps which I cannot stream without stuttering to TV through XPLAY/PLEX. 

Kind regards,

Hi Mihai B,

A gigabit connection is not required for streaming 4K to a local device:

https://www.lgwebos.com/topic/3206-dvb-t-dvb-s-as-one-program-list/?tab=comments#comment-8935

Even if it required 100Mbps a properly set up network would handle it fine.

Depending on how much data you are slinging around the network, whether you have a managed/smart network hub, how you have your Plex server set up and many other factors can cause issues.

 

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57 minutes ago, schneidernet said:

4K only needs 25mbs. Works fine on my C7.

That sounds about right, Amazon 4K HDR steams quite happily over WiFi on my network.  I do not have any 4K content on Plex to test how well that works.

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1 hour ago, George Hofmeister said:

That sounds about right, Amazon 4K HDR steams quite happily over WiFi on my network.  I do not have any 4K content on Plex to test how well that works.

But he is talking abort streaming local content, it is not unlikely to be much higher bandwidth:

look at the blue ray standard: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra_HD_Blu-ray

I LOVE my OLED and WebOS, but I do agree a 100Mbps connection is outdated on a 4K high end TV.

 

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On 4/20/2018 at 2:18 PM, Mihai B. said:
 

Hello,

Is there any way of installing an usb gigabit network adapter on a webos smart TV?  The builtin wired adapter is only 100mbps (on a 2000$+ TV, shame  on you LG!!!)  while the wifi (N) is very poor, with the router at 1m from TV it only gets half the bandwidth of the wired network. Anyway the wired network  maxes out near 100mbps but I need more bandwidth as I have 4k video content with bitrates grater than 100mbps which I cannot stream without stuttering to TV through XPLAY/PLEX. 

Kind regards,

Hi

for streaming from internet doesn't need a Gigabit Ethernet card

But to play locally 4K content especially in highly  frame rate , Gigabit connection is recommended

Many of the LG smart tv models coming with a PCMCIA slot and i think you can add a gigabit PCMCIA card (if your Tv support card) or 4G cellular card on that port ( not tested)

https://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-GA511-Gigabit-Ethernet-Card/dp/B0002VITFU

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11 hours ago, Morten Vinding Svendsen said:

But he is talking abort streaming local content, it is not unlikely to be much higher bandwidth:

look at the blue ray standard: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra_HD_Blu-ray

I LOVE my OLED and WebOS, but I do agree a 100Mbps connection is outdated on a 4K high end TV.

A fair point, services like Netflix while streaming 4K do so at a lower bitrate.  A quick internet search shows this is a issue perceived by users with other manufacturers, not just LG, going back to at least 2011.

But, I wonder how many users are actually going to rip their Ultra HD Blu-rays to a Plex server, verses those who just put it in to their Ultra HD Blu-ray player?   The market share of users who run a full gigabit network, with a Plex server capable of ripping the disk (which could take days at full quality) then rendering it for streaming is, I imagine, going to be pretty small. 

Until larger bandwidths are required by the majority of users who stream media from the outside world, I doubt things are going to change be it on LG products or anyone elses.

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28 minutes ago, George Hofmeister said:

A fair point, services like Netflix while streaming 4K do so at a lower bitrate.  A quick internet search shows this is a issue perceived by users with other manufacturers, not just LG, going back to at least 2011.

But, I wonder how many users are actually going to rip their Ultra HD Blu-rays to a Plex server, verses those who just put it in to their Ultra HD Blu-ray player?   The market share of users who run a full gigabit network, with a Plex server capable of ripping the disk (which could take days at full quality) then rendering it for streaming is, I imagine, going to be pretty small. 

Until larger bandwidths are required by the majority of users who stream media from the outside world, I doubt things are going to change be it on LG products or anyone elses.

Absolutely agree.

The market for people streaming local content at higher bandwidth than 100Mbps is very slim, and if you deducts the pirates I believe it approximates zero.

So LG probably decided to skip gigabit in the believing that those watching high bandwidth content would do so using blue ray.

 

But the original question about USB2 Ethernet dongles is interesting. USB2 at 400Mbps would be more than enough, and we have all seen devices with “secret” drivers. Like for instance the Chromecast with USB2ethernet support.

I unfortunately only have a 100Mbps usb dongle and a thunderbolt. But if anybody has a gigabit USB dongle please try it out and report back.

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